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(Date Posted:02/20/2008 19:08:45)

First of all, hello! I'm new here.

Alright, I'm a bit of a Villanova addict, and I have been trying to establish the personnal and family history of Giovanni Villanova. The closest we come to knowing his age is in the Vodacce source book, which says he is in his midthirties. I ran with that and made his age 35 in 1668. So it basically comes to this:

1633, birth of Giovanni Villanova.
1643, Giovanni pushes his father Allegro down the stairs (precocious little b*****d)
1644-1646, Giovanni poisons his brother Giam.
1654, Giovanni comes of age and assumes the title of prince.
1655, Giovanni marries Valentina Vestini (who is only 13 according to another timeline. Poor girl)
1656, birth of Giovanni's first son.
1660, birht of Giovanni's second son.
1661, Giovanni takes Juliette as his courtesan.
Decimus 1668, all Legion breaks loose in the Villanova household.

I'm thinking of adding more accurate dates (specific month and day) and also lesser events, such as when Giovanni caught Valentina looking at books and beat her (an action with longterm consequences if there ever was one.)

As a side note, I'm wondering about what the Vodacce source book authors were thinking when they said that Giovanni regards Valentina as a servant that "he takes care to treat with the greatest respect" (p. 72). Beating her and humiliating her regularly (the book incident and the various "attemps" on Juliette's life) hardly sound respectful to me.
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RE:Villanova timeline... is this accurate?
(Date Posted:02/23/2008 02:08:22)

It's really important that you don't super-impose a modern, western morality and mindset on the Vodacce, particularly the Villanova.  If you do so, they will likely not make sense on any number of different levels, not the least of which is the treatment of noble wives.

Vodacce men occupy a state of dominance in their society that grants them both privileges and (believe it or not) responsibilities alike.  In our modern mindset the supports gender equality, the privileges seem obvious exploitation, and the responsibilities hardly seem much compensation to the average Vodacce noble wife.  But to them, it is a very normal state of affairs.  One that neither questions because, honestly, neither has any reason to question it.  A Vodacce nobleman treats his wife as a servant because, frankly and bluntly speaking, that is EXACTLY what she is.  And, in the normal course of events, neither would likely recognize anything wrong with that situation at all.  It is, after all, manifest throughout the society that both man and woman were raised their entire life within.

At the same time, however, Vodacce nobleman are inevitably afraid of their strega wives, for obvious reasons.  They have a power too, and it is one that Vodacce noblemen cannot ever have.  Sure, it may be a power that can be controlled, but it can only rarely be dominated completely.  One sees that fear manifest in the degrees of respect accorded wives that are very apparent in Vodacce society (degrees that, according to our modern mindsets, might be unconsciously accepted and dismissed as no big deal).  For instance, Vodacce society may accept male infidelity, but it MANDATES that such infidelity follow a very structured set of rules.  A Vodacce man may dally with a courtesan away from the home, but such MUST remain away from the home.  Further, that courtesan will NEVER be part of that Vodacce man's household, and will certainly never rule it the way his wife does (consider how often a Vodacce man might be absent from his house, and then hazard a shrewd guess who actually runs the domestic show...whether she can read and do math or not!).  The offspring of any affair will NEVER inherit their father's fortune, no matter what (unless the wife proves barren, and even then that nobleman's family is likely act to intercede to keep property and fortune within the real family...).

Obviously, Giovanni Villanova, because of who he is and because he's a cut above most Vodacce men, likely plays a bit more free with some of these society characteristics than perhaps most of his (sort of) peers do.  As powerful as he is, however, it is fairly telling nonetheless to consider how closely he still seems to follow his societies rules.  However, his ability to be more free with the rules just makes him more exception to the rule than any actual dispute of the overall rules in Vodacce society (his power base, as much as any other Vodacce nobleman's, is founded firmly on the existance and adherance of all to those rules, if only superficially).

Considered in light of the above, it might become a bit clearer what the authors of the Vodacce sourcebook (and, indeed, the Sophia's Daughters sourcebook later on too) intended.

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RE:Villanova timeline... is this accurate?
(Date Posted:02/23/2008 06:20:46)

I see what you mean, but it was not the servant bit that was bothering me, it was the respect part. Villanova hardly ever plays by the rules, and from what we see in his and Valentina's bio, he seems to resort more to threats, violence and overall intimidation with her, although that seems to be the way of life in Vodacce...

Maybe respect in this case refers to her accommodations. She does after all live in a palace, and I doubt that he starves her... Go figure.

As for the infidelity part, Juliette IS part of Villanova's household. He introduced her publicly at a ball just to annoy Valentina. (b****d)
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RE:Villanova timeline... is this accurate?
(Date Posted:02/23/2008 11:57:10)

No, he just made Juliette much more visible (which, you are correct, is a flaunt of Vodacce convention and was incidently recognized as such).  Juliette still did not become a member of his household (there is a big difference between "honored? guest" and wife-in-residence, particularly in Vodacce society).  Villanova did not recognize her as being anything more than what she was.

I do think you are mostly correct.  Giovanni Villanova is much less fearful of his wife than the average Vodacce nobleman.  Where I wanted to point out disagreement was to indicate that Giovanni was definitely not the typical Vodacce nobleman in terms of spousal relations.  That said, we never see him cross the line too far, when we see him cross the line with his wife at all (such as the example you gave).  And for a man like Giovanni Villanova, to not cross the line in this case either often or too far does imply a great deal of respect (in the context of Vodacce society, that is) and probably still a fair bit of fear (though he would be less likely, even to himself, to admit that).  And, it is finally worth noting that what follies he commits according to the customs of his nation do come back to punish him.  His follies (and the follies of his sons too, which is actually a bit more significant to this topic) are amply demonstrated when she finally does openly rebel against him (which then marks her as an atypical Vodacce noblewoman in much the same sense that Giovanni is an atypical Vodacce nobleman).

Frank the Wanderer

(Message edited by frankwanderer on 02/23/2008 12:00:51)

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