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(Date Posted:04/09/2007 21:53:43)
I don? have a copy of Los Vagos society book, so Im looking for some advice on using it in my game.
Here is the problem: while I was running "Pirate? Plume, part 1" a few weeks ago, the players decided to leave a message signed as "Los Vagos". No one in the group, including the castillians, belong to this organization, and I let them do it. They got the gold and made a swift escape. The thing is, I don? want the "Los Vagos" issue to simply be forgotten. I would like them to see some sort of consequence (positive or negative, or both) for taking the Society? name.
According to the secret societies map, there is a Los Vagos branch in Freiburg. I wondering what this branch might think and do regarding the characters (even wondering if they have the resources to found about about this). Only one character got his identity jeopardized and the Montaigne embassy has identified it. It happens to be the noble Castillian swordsman. Needless to say, he has been keeping a really low profile since then.
Taking in account Los Vagos modus operandi and what their Freiburg branch can do:
Can Los Vagos in Freiburg learn tht the group acted in their name?
Can they find out what the Montaigne embassy knows about the castillian character?
If so, what would they do to him? Kidnap and interrogate him (remember he is a castillian noble)? Will they send a warning message? Invite them to join the organization?
Any ideas to manage this are welcomed.
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(Date Posted:04/09/2007 22:34:36)
SPOILER WARNING
Well, first off I would say that it would be a bit odd (not to mention not common knowledge) for characters who are not members to sign it 'Los Vagos' It's a commonly held mis-belief that there is just one person, El Vago. (This despite the fact that 'El Vago' can travel across Castille in a matter of hours). That said, lets move onto your questions.
Los Vagos in Frieburg is really more of an information gathering site (and hold out for Vagos in trouble). I can't recall a time where El Vago actually showed up in Frieburg. That's not to say that Los Vagos haven't done their share of adventures (rescuing a Vatacine Priest from the clutches of The Inquisition comes readily to mind), it's just that no one has donned the mask.
1. As there is only one cell of Los Vagos in Frieburg, they could readily assume that it was done in their name. However, if they found that something was done in the name of Justice, they'd be just as likely as not to let it pass (no reason to seek retribution as many cells operate independently of one another).
2. As for finding out that the Montaigne embassy knows the hero's identity, that's up to you. I could see a Montaigne dignitary with a penchant for Castillian food going to the Fox Den club and, while ordering absently talking to the owner, Senor Renaldo Nunez del Torres about the goings on with this Vago person. Fox Den Club is the home of Los Vagos and Renaldo is the leader of the cell.
3. What would they do? Again up to you, since he is Castillian they may assume him to already be a member and wonder why he hasn't shown up. As secrecy is paramount for Los Vagos (none of them wanting to be caught by the Inquisition) they may take a wait and see attitude to see if he is worthy (and can clear his name). They could also send him a message letting him know that someone is onto him and warning him to be wary.
I actually see this as a great RP opportunity with Los Vagos watching the PC group to see if they are worthy of joining or can be used in some way in the name of justice.
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(Date Posted:04/10/2007 17:26:41)
Should also be consequences from the OTHER end - specifically, whoever the bogus message was left for (plus anybody else who might read it). That might be what particularly upsets Los Vagos. Few things infuriate folk as much as getting blamed for something they didn't do.
Perhaps there is an entire chain reaction from this act of bravado. Key people make totally wrong assumptions about what happened, plans get upset or changed, former enemeis might become allies (or vice versa!), etcetera. If you are of a particularly nasty / devious turn of mind, the after-effects of this could haunt the PCs for years to come.
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(Date Posted:04/11/2007 01:03:04)
I do not want to make a huge fuzz about it, specially for all the players. But I would certainly like the identified character to see some consequence of their actions, being castillian and all. Im sure he would join in the Vagos wholeheartedly if offered, but I doubt the society will risk it.
The party is about to hit the high seas in their new (haunted, hehehe) frigate. So I dont want something big right now, but I do like long cooking surprises. My first guess was that the Los Vagos branch would kidnap the character, interrogate him (rather harshly if needed, but no torturing) and try to find out whether he is a member, a spy or why he took the groups name. I mean, was it even known by Montaigne or anyone else that there was a Los Vagos branch in Freiburg?
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(Date Posted:04/11/2007 17:09:04)
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I do not want to make a huge fuzz about it, specially for all the players.
Faiir enough. I do suggest that you keep this option open, just in case, even if there are no current plans to utilize it. You never know - might be a golden oppurtunity for a storyline (or major plot complication!) at some future stage of your campaign. Especially if your PCs do any more stuff of this kind.
I mean, was it even known by Montaigne or anyone else that there was a Los Vagos branch in Freiburg?
Probably not. It is possible that Verdugo might suspect that LV has cionnections there. Then again, Verdugo probably sees a potential for LV connections any place that he isn't.
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(Date Posted:04/11/2007 18:41:16)
The Los Vagos book does talk about an abundance of unofficial cells of Los Vagos, who have no actual connection to the Vagabond and operate independently while under the same guise. Of course, I doubt that the Vagabond is one to turn down support, but I have been waiting to have some player do something like this so that they, being less well-equipped and less prepared, could get caught by either the authorities, the Inquisition, whoever. Then, when they get busted from jail by the Vagabond, he gives them a nice lecture regarding their behavior and about putting Castille and her people before their private hunger for excitement. Of course, he still might tell them that he is "Watching them;" that way they could be called upon someday to act upon their reckless enthusiasm on behalf of something real. But I personnaly don't think that the Vagabond would kidnap and interrogate those who support his actions with their own.
However, the note reading a plural "Los Vagos" could certainly cause problems for the whole organization, so that might make El Vago quite upset.
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(Date Posted:07/10/2007 00:50:29)
I hate to bring up an old thread, but it seemed appropriate to my conundrum.
I have a couple of Castillian characters in my group. One has been invited to join Los Vagos. But, he's convinced himself(well, truth be told, I let him believe it) that Porte Sorcerors can spy on people. As his character has come to the attention of both the Emperor and several notable Maontaignes, he's quite scared that he'll lead the Montaignes right to the cell. Heh. I love it.
But, the interesting part is that I added a small cell in Charouse itself. Right in the heart of the city, very near to the emperor himself, actually. though their meeting places change from time to time to ensure they are not discovered, they have begun meeting most recently in the bowels of the Lame enflamme(sp?). This has the player and the character on edge, big time. I'm trying not to laugh as the player squirms and worries over what could happen. It's my plan that everything goes off without a hitch But, the squirming is great!
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