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(Date Posted:06/18/2007 21:51:01)
wow. that's an interesting idea. between the two of them they could DOMINATE theah. you've got a splintered eisen between them with one portion ruled by her brother. it would be an easy enough matter to reinforce him and unify eisen under his rule. with that alliance, vendel loses a lot of power because they can't play the nations against each other, avalon is isolated and heading to bad times, and castille has a definitive reason to forgive/like montaigne (the ruler is the general who played "nice"). could be a very interesting future. especially if they could keep it going into the second generation.
however, having said all of that? i can't see it happening. montague is crowned because he has the support of the nobles (because of his marriage tie to l'empereur) and the commoners because he was once one of them. if he remarries, he throws out the tie to l'empereur and the support of the nobles. plus after a recent defeat to ussura, no one is going to want to see him marry a foreigner, especially from ussura. looking at her, ussura is extremely distrustful of outsiders. having one of the throne is one thing but they'd never allow her to marry a foreigner, especially one that tried to invade them so recently. PLUS to top it all off, vendel and vodacce can see my first paragraph easily enough and would use all their influence and dirty tricks to ensure it never happened.
well, at least that's my two guilders worth.
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(Date Posted:06/20/2007 21:07:28)
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i can't see it happening. montague is crowned because he has the support of the nobles (because of his marriage tie to l'empereur) and the commoners because he was once one of them. if he remarries, he throws out the tie to l'empereur
But see, that's what was said of Katherine the Great, too. She deposed her husband, who was later killed. She was able to do this because he had abused the common folk and the military. So, when he was out of the picture, she used her womanly wiles and her intelligence to pull the country together. She had completely become a Russian, in more than just name, converting to the Russian Orthodox, and more before deposing her husband. Then afterward, began modernizing the country - bringing it more in line with Western Europe. She remained single, unless rumors are believed, but used her wiles to garner certain advantages for her country.
If we extrapolate those ideas into Theah, she might be someone to do just that. But, the major drawback to that idea, as I see it, is Matushka. I don't know that she'd want to allow her country to be re-alligned in any way. And I don't know that she'd have the ability to extend her power to Eisen and Montaigne. So, I can't imagine she'd let Katarina follow through.
I can see Katarina become that greedy, possibly. But she would want to maintain Matushka's favor, no matter what (unless she became power-hungy enough to take Matushka out of the equation). I think the idea of her attempting to do this has merit - 10+ years down the timeline. We already know she has Ussura's best interest at heart, we know she is a kind person. But, Helping shore up her brother's defenses in Eisen by establishing herself as his biggest ally, potentially pursuing Montegue (as paramour, husband, ally, whatever) because he is one of the most powerful individuals in Theah, and with the decline of several other countries and the change in the church, it could happen. Even if she gets foiled in the attempt (read: the intervention of adventurers), the storyline has merit, don't you think?
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(Date Posted:06/21/2007 00:28:11)
precisely. the real katherine was able to rule effectively because she never publically married. if she'd married a german, the russian nobles would have been very unhappy. similiarly if Katherine or Montegue marry again, i believe they'd marry a local to create a dynasty.
especially since Montague is going to need the nobles in theory if not in practice. people are going to remember what happened when the peasants ruled without the nobles, i don't think he'd risk trying to rule without their support. however, allying with katherine outside of marriage would be a lot more doable.
for katherine, i think they've made her more heroic and a LOT less ruthless in theah, so i don't know if she'd have the ambition to rule that the historical figure does. plus just her support should be extremely helpful to her brother so he's not going to need too much support to maintain his position (particularly if someone else becomes imperator without bathing the country in blood). but taking the next step and actively trying to extend her power beyond ussura would be far more difficult. if she goes ahead and "modernizes" Ussura, she still risks alienating Matushka and people have a good example of what happens when you do that (civil unrest, rebellion and death).
so, i can see interesting possibilities. if you decide to try to flesh it out, i'd love to see it. i know when i look at the future of theah, i tend to isolate the nations far more than this. (aka i've got avalon and montaigne and castillian futures (etc), but no real thought how the nations interact with each other.)
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(Date Posted:06/21/2007 20:08:50)
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if you decide to try to flesh it out, i'd love to see it.
Now, you're just teasing. 
Considering my campaign is still stuck in early 1668 (we only game once a quarter roughly), it may be a long time before I even come close to this idea in my own campaign... But, maybe between games, I might be able to work on it. We'll see, I suppose.
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